Mac Lawson on Comedy Changed My Life. Here’s My Story

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Stand up comedian Mac Lawson shares her story on how her trauma landed her in the comedy world.  Listen to her talk about  her journey and how she feels about Chris D'Elia being cancelled. Be sure to listen all the way to the end to find out juicy details  which celebrity...



Mac Lawson 
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And I'm your host, Nicholas Ballard, and this is my podcast called Can I talk Now 'cause I have a crazy Jess for you today. 

She comes all the way from Florida. 

She has a song called Quarantine and Chill. 

You can find it on Spotify. 

She's currently pursuing her career. 

As a comedian, yes, she's a female. 

Yeah. 

She's trying to be. 

Up there with the Big Dogs. 

Can find her on Instagram at. 

Big Maclawson. 

OK, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to introduce you. 

To Mac lawson, Sue. 

Dude, what's up man? 

What's up, Mac? 

What's up? 

Bro, I got hit the air horn. 

Yeah, what's up man? 

What's up? 

I wish somebody would do that intro for me every single time I walked into. 

A room, so I just checked. 

That would be sick, right? 

Blue coming out of the bathroom. 

More wholesome. 

Coming out of her bedroom emerging for the first time in a week. 

Mac Lawson. 
 press it. 

Good job, good job. 

What's up Mac? 

How you been? 

I mean good, you know, just moved out to Florida from LA like we were kind of talking about and and doing open city. 

Yes. 

Open City, a crazy city you Florida people are of a kind. 

Yeah. 

They're like the pandemic. 

I know. 

This is Florida. 

They don't give us far. 

They us far. 

We don't give a **** 

I know now. 

Well, you know I'm I'm not actually from Florida. 

I'm originally from Virginia Beach, Tampa. 

Before I moved out to California so Florida Florida people definitely don't give a **** and I think it's 'cause you're busy and enjoying their life so. 

I mean, you gotta enjoy life, you're only given one. 

Exactly. 

So you Mrs Mac Lawson you want to be a comedian. 

I like to think I am a comedian, but yeah, that's. 

Oh 

OK, I like it. 

To be a successful comedian who makes all her money doing coffee. 

Yes. 

When did you know you wanted to be a comedian? 

At what age? 

So you know what's so crazy about it? 

So growing up I was home schooled, my parents gave me a camera to kind of keep me busy and the other kids busy and I was older so I was kind of write and direct little skits and films. 

And I learned how to burn them to DVD and I would like make my own talk shows and I did that from the time I was like. 

3 till even now I think when I moved to Lai wasn't even as concerned with being in front of the camera. I think I was a little bit shy. 

Maybe lack confidence and I wanted to just be a writer, but then I was. 

I went through not just dive into the deep **** I went there, a brain injury three years ago and it was really hard to cope with and the way that I cope is by joking around and I had probably about 15 different people tell me that I needed to do stand up comedy. 

So that's when I officially decided that I was ready to be. 

In front of the front and be the entertainer so yeah. 

Funny, before this brain injury or oh OK, yeah. 

Yeah, he just knocked the coffee into me. 

If so, everybody should just go bang their head in right now. 

Was this injury from an accident? 

Well, how did you get this injury? 

Uh, no, so it was actually result, so it was I ex boyfriend and I got into it really bad and he kind of lost his **** a little bit. 

Whoo. 

So dark and depressing time not just the brain injury but also like the nature of the injury itself, kind of unbearable. 

And you know that it's the kind of sometimes when you're in a place that dark. 

Your only choice. 

Is to make jokes, is to be sarcastic, is to make fun of dark things and I think I found a family in comedy and there's a lot of comedian. 

Yes. 

Crazy stories. 

Crazy. 

An I kind of fell into it naturally, so you know, it's crazy how everything comes full circle. 

I don't think I ever would have I. 

I love attention everybody loves attention but I'm not the type of person who is like look at me an I don't think I ever would have had the guts to actually go and try stand up if it wasn't for this traumatic situation so. 

Yeah. 

Yeah, as far as stand up. 

What is it like being on stage? 

What emotions is going through your mind when you get up there? 

They do a stand up routine. 

It's scary, I mean any comedian who tells you that it's not scary is lying to themselves no matter how long they do it. 

They've been doing it like it's it's a rush in it. 

It's a good rush an it's really. 

It's really fun. 

When I was younger I was a gymnast. 

I was high level competitive gymnast was level 10. 

And I kind of compare standup comedy to competing the balance beam 'cause no matter how many times you've done a skill on theme 'cause it's so thin. 

Uh huh. 

And the tricks are so hard that one little moment of lack of confidence on the beam can ruin the whole routine. 

And so every single time you go to do stand up. 

It's that same feeling that I used to get was kind of one of the reasons why I keep going back to stand up. 

'cause of that rush. 

Yeah. 

But it's the same feeling that I used to get when I. 

Used to do a balance beam routine. 

It's like you have to. 

You have to be all there. 

You have to be all in and you have to be willing to not kind of let that confidence slip. 

And if it does let you gotta just pull it together and and keep going. 

That makes sense. 

Have you ever bombed on stage? 

Yes. 

Tell me about it. 

Yeah, I mean every I think every comedian bombs, no matter how long you been doing it, right? 

Yeah. 

Oh yeah. 

So like I've seen Kevin Hart before a new material that just got nothing. 

And I mean he's Kevin Hart. 

So people were giving him pity laughter. 

He was Kevin Hart, but he won. 

Yeah. 

He was working out new material. 

I mean it's very humbling. 

Comedy is very humbling and I think that's why it gets a lot of respect in the industry. 

It's because it takes a certain type of person to keep going on stage after the bond, but I remember the first time that I bombed really bad and I was on a pretty big show. 

I think you saw you came and saw me perform at this show. 

The birdbath show at the Phoenix. 

Yes, I was at the Phoenix. 

Yes, I was there. 

Yeah, I don't think you saw me bomb, but uh, a different week. 

I had bombed an I remember. 

I had texted my comedian friends Basil who helped me a lot and he I was gonna quit. 

He 

I was like I'm not funny like I don't know why I'm doing this like I'm lying to myself like I just wanna quit comedy like there. 

Everybody is so much better and so much funnier than I am. 

And he was like dude Crystallia bomb the other day, buddy bombs. 

You know what I mean? 

Kind of part of it like some crowds are just not gonna find the fun. 

Were they booing at you when you bomb was a joke? 

No, they just don't. 

They just felt that I, I think what it was when I was a newer comedian. 

And watch really I'm kind of, but I I didn't have my set memorized and I got a little bit of like shock when I was on stage and I I forgot my set. 

And then one of the girls that was on the show with me was kind of mean. 

So then she made me like extra nervous 'cause she was watching his total mental breakdown. 

She not did she knock you off the balance beam? 

Yes he did. 

Metaphorically, yeah fischbacher. 

Yeah that ******* ***** 

That ******* ***** 

Yeah exactly. 

I don't even. 

I haven't even seen her do stand up lately, so I don't even know what she's doing. 

But I open for Steve Trevino in Texas. 

The. 

So ***** 

As a comedian, what's your motivation? 

Where do you want to see it? 

The end result. 

That's the interesting question. 

Right now in our country and in the world. 

Actually, it's not just limited to our country, we are in a time right now where people are more scared of being offended than of actual evil, and so say you know I want to make a joke and it's, you know, it's funny, but it's a little bit tasteless, which is kind of the nature of comedy, right? 

Yes. 

And he. 

That is going to put me in danger as a comedian and a person, and I I think that's a very. 

Scary world to live in where you can't joke about being comedy is most important to make jokes about those scary things. 

Like when I was going through my brain injury and all those deep, dark, depressing things in my ex. 

You know being the **** outta me and all that I needed to be able to joke about that. 

Me. 

So the so living in a world where we can't joke about things that are. 

Evil and are bad. 

And are kind of like right on that edge of like tasteless where it's bad world that we can live in. 

And I think that we would live in and I think that it's scarier to live in a world like that where I think we're. 

I think we're moving into a place right now in this world where freedom of speech is being suppressed. 

Yeah. 

I and how do you overcome that? 

As a comedian, I think that you just have to say it anyways. 

Yeah. 

Say it anyways and hope the best. 

Uh, no, I think that it's just like you have to find a way to say it. 

Where people. 

Will still kind of joke about. 

But uh-huh so anyway, back to my back to the original question. 

Like what is my goal is a comedian. 

It's just kind of to push those boundaries because that's like such a passion. 

It an kind of overwhelming questions for me. 

'cause right now our our world is in like a really really in like a kind of a dire state. 

Whether it's you know talking about things like racism or the vaccine or. 

Controlling governments or, you know, LGBTQ community. 

All of that. 

It's it's just a very scary time as a comedian. 

So my goal is a comedian is to push the boundaries. 

Up to the place where we can start laughing again, I guess so the loaded answer. 

Nice yeah, that's. 

Well, you know what that will be edited in post. 

Yeah, it needs to be edited. 

Unblock your, dash it down in one minute. 

Well, it's crazy. 

Well is it? 

I mean it's crazy like with my brain and I really do sometimes get the last and no. 

Yeah. 

No, that is this ramble. 

This Ramble Mac to let it go. 

Well, it's well, it's it's. 

Just weird 'cause like I brain injuries are so tricky and there's not a lot of. 

There's not a lot of awareness about them. 

Like if you meet somebody with. 

A brain injury and they can like and they have like a speech impediment or something like that. 

Much easier to have sympathy for them, but somebody like me, my brain injury. 

It had a lot less obvious outward signs, but sometimes I'll still get kind of like lost in my thoughts and forget what I'm saying or forget what I did 5 minutes ago and it. 

Would be crazy so. 

Do you have to take medication? 

Did the doctors give you medication or try to push meds on you? 

Uhm, there's really. 

There's really not much they can do for brain injuries. 

It's kind of just something you have to work through an I know there's there's therapies out there that I could probably do that are kind of expensive. 

I'm pretty teaching myself some. 

Things are retraining my brain. 

That's good. 

It's kind of like training yourself kind of in like like discipline like how you have to teach yourself discipline like that's kind of the same thing you have to do your brain it to reteach your brain how to do certain things again and again and again and again and then eventually you have that skill back if that makes sense. 

Have you ever been heckled? 

I mean, yeah, I actually love hecklers. 

Really, what would you do in this situation if I came there? 

Shut up white girl. 

You **** what would you say to me? 

And what's your race? 

Caucasian. 

Shut up white boy, you **** 

Well, I just love hecklers 'cause it's like oh? 

Well, you're paying attention, so an I love to argue so please insult me I will insult you back so I know I think I think hecklers are are fun, at least for me. 

Yeah. 

Personally as a comedian, maybe it's just because I I like to tease one of my favorite things to do and I think one of the things I'm best at is crowd work. 

Yeah. 

He 

Maybe it does trace back to my concussion, but it's it's hard for me to memorize myself so hard for me to memorize my set and it's good practice, and I've gotten better at it, but I just love to do crowd work. 

I I think it's so much fun to this doesn't have a lot of retention. 

Still, although, like most of my symptoms have subsided, I'm just not able to retain. 

A lot of information at once. 

He 

That's something that has been true since I got my concussion. 

Then I would forget things that I did like 5 minutes ago, so it's kind of like a muscle. 

Damn. 

You have to kind of rebuild and retrain it back, but at this point I think one of the ways that I've kind of taught myself how to retain the information if they kind of look at it like a story. 

Me. 

So I look at my set like a story that I want to tell everybody. 

And that helps me remember certain key jokes and certain key. 

You know topics that are within the story, so that's been helping me a lot. 

And then if you forget it, are you good with improving coming off of? 

Yeah. 

That's good, that's good. 

Thank God yeah. 

But it's like a muscle Anan. 

You know, I know it's. 

I don't want this to come out as like a *** story I've been. 

I've been. 

I've been, yeah, I've been very grateful that I have healed a lot and I'm not one of those people who wants people to feel sorry for me at all. 

You know, like I said, I would have never gotten into comedy if I didn't have that injury. 

And it's I've learned a lot about brain injury, so you know eventually I would like to. 

Do part of my set about my brain injury and is to bring awareness. 

Sorry. 

I mean that's the great thing about comedy. 

Is that you can bring awareness to a lot of different things that are hard to talk about. 

You know, like I was saying earlier, like it's hard for people to talk about anything these days without being offended. 

And that's the beauty of comedy. 

Is that you can kind of bring those things up. 

Yeah, that's true. 

We just gotta watch what you say today or you might get canceled. 

I don't. 

I don't watch what I say. 

Or you might get cancelled. 

They might cancel you. 

I can't can't it can't be cancelled 'cause the thing about me is like I I know that I have. 

Good a good. 

Soul and I don't have, you know, homophobic transphobic. 

Yeah. 

You know or racist bone in my body, so if I'm making a joke, it's simply a joke and I'll make the same joke about myself or the same joke about my mom or the same joke about my, you know, my brothers, or you know what I mean so can't cancel me. 

Uh huh. 

As a white comedian, do you feel it's OK for white comedians to tell black jokes? 

Uhm, I think you have to be. 

It's about being tasteful. 

I mean, that's part of being a comedian. 

Is like, you know you can't actually be racist or it's gonna come out in your comedy. 

But yeah, I mean I, I feel like I personally can make jokes as long as they're not ******* racist. 

But I can make jokes about that. 

Yeah, I I grew up. 

Around that community. 

So for me personally, I don't think any jokes are off limits. 

Uh, as long as they're not foul, but even some foul jokes are important an an I think that's where we are right now in comedy is that people are scared to make jokes that are kind of like questionable. 

Yeah. 

That's the beauty of comedy is is pushing that boundary. 

Uh huh. 

So I I hope I can find the right way to do that within my comedy that that it's not in a hurtful way, but in a way that is good. 

As an upcoming comedian, how do you feel about the whole situation with Chris Dilley? 

The ****** stuff. 

Yeah. 

I mean, I'll be on, I'll be honest. 

I mean I, I don't know if Chris will ever hear this, but he was right before that should happen with him. 

I was actually texting him, he was actually trying to hit on me and he had given me his burner phone number. 

Sure. 

Yeah for sure and I'm kinda mad. 

I'm like damn, I was about to hook up with Crystal. 

Yep. 

And then you had to ******* get cancelled like I missed my shot. 

Yeah, but do you feel like that whole situation makes it harder for a female to come up? 

Uh. 

I think that it's hard for a female to do anything in this world and and you know, not because like men are out to get women. 

Yeah. 

It's because men are out to have *** with women like that's the reason why it's hard for women. 

So that's something they have to navigate as a female already. 

But definitely. 

It's not that you know all men are just out to get women all the time. 

I think that men just want to have *** with you. 

And I don't think he made it harder. 

I think that he was. 

Yes, on his high from being famous and trying to get some ***** I mean if anything that situation probably made it easier. 

Yeah, that was like almost underage. 

Almost underage, it's kind of ******* weird, right? Like they sound a little pervy, but I. But I mean, if you're being on it like I mean they were all like what 89? 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

I mean, I mean, that's freaking weird. 

It's like a weird power dynamic, but that's something that's very typical that you see in Hollywood, not just with Crystal. 

Yeah, and you know, I, I I feel like he took a lot of the brunt of something that goes on in Hollywood everywhere. 

I mean, that's something that mean other than, like you know, the the people that you and I know in Hollywood, the producers and stuff that you and I know. 

There are really great people. 

Easy. 

A lot of like. 

Producers and agents an at this any man in power typically is going to use that power. 

Dynamic to get what they want? 

I mean the guy still tried I'm 30. 

I mean I I get a lot of Botox and **** No people don't know that, but men still try to do that with me and I'm like it's not gonna work. 

You know, if I want to **** you I'm gonna **** you. 

I don't think you I'm not gonna do it your your little power game doesn't work for me so I think that's something that's normal that men do. 

Yeah, but these girls are young now. 

They're not fully developed in their mind, so it's easier to take advantage of them. 

Yeah no I yeah. 

So manipulate them and that and that happened to me when I was younger as well, and I think that rather than focus on the person who obviously has already been through enough, and I think it's hopefully the largest, it seems like he's learned his lesson. 

And I have some friends that are friends with them and you know, I think he really went through it. 

We need to focus on that actual problem of why men feel they need a power dynamic in order to have *** I think that focusing on the root of the problem rather than the person is more important. 

Yes. 

True true, very true. 

So yeah. 

Now you used to live in Los Angeles. 

How was your dating experience in good old Los Angeles? 

Yeah. 

Oh my gosh I. 

Well, First off, I want to move. 

Back to Los Angeles. Let the record be known. I'll be back there eventually updating in LA. Well, I mean, OK, we're just bring out bring up that power dynamic thing that power dynamic. 

Is a very very popular tool in dating in LAA. Lot of men are looking for a puzzle piece to fit their life. Not really necessary somebody to love. So I think my dating experience. I mean, I told you I got that the brain injury from my ex. 

Me. 

That kind of changed a lot for me. Yeah, that was in LA and I was really. I fell in love with him pretty quick too. You know LA is kind of one of those cities where you don't really meet a lot of down to Earth people, but the few down to Earth people that you meet are really, really amazing people. 

Was that in LA or or? 

Right? 

So it's kind of like I feel like you could find certain treasure out there as far as like relationships, because if you find someone in LA you guys are going to be together forever, but that actually finding somebody I mean like. 

It's a diamond in the rough. 

It's ******* nightmare. 

Oh not even like so ******* nightmare. 

And when you dated these guys when you told him you're a comedian, did round upon it, did they ask you to tell him jokes? 

Yeah, I put it. 

In my bio on Instagram, because like. 

Even like I like, I like what do you do? 

I'm like you know I do this, I do this and I just didn't call me oh you're comedian, tell me a joke I'm like bro what do you think I am a popsicle stick like that's not how stand up comedy works like it's so annoying like him call me you don't just crack jokes like that will give me one of your best. 

He 

I'm like bro just shut the **** ** like what do you? 

You do not deserve a performance, OK? 

Yeah, kind of like what in classes were. 

Where they were making the balloons and the kids like make me balloon clown. 

Yeah, it's like what the **** is so annoying. 

And then I have other guys. 

They're like. 

Well, be careful what you say. 

You careful what you see around her. 

They think this is the good one, like they talk to the waiter. 

The waiter will come up. 

Oh, she's a comedian. 

Careful what you say around 3 might be part of one of your bit. 

Unlike Justin, how? 

Do you feel, do you feel like that or has affected your dating life times in that aspect? 

Ann 

When you tell people you're a comedian, they're like a write another forming morning. 

I think I think my personality has affected my dating life. 

Uh huh. 

'cause I 'cause I mean I would love to say it's just the karere but I think it's just kind of me as a person. 

Uh huh. 

Even if I wasn't a comedian, I would still have this kind of overbearing. 

I don't want to say masculine, but like kind of dominant personality. 

E. 

And I think a lot of female comedians have that personality. 

I think it's impossible not to, which I think you know it's a beautiful thing that most women most men should seek out in women. 

To date, strong women. 

And. 

Uh. 

But realistically, it's just not something that a lot of men want. 

They want somebody that is an accessory, not an addition. 

Uh huh. 

They don't want an addition to their life, they want an accessory. 

So I think that's something that is really what was affecting my dating life before I even got into comedy. 

So yeah. 

What gigs have you been doing during the pandemic? 

I had so much success during the pandemic, isn't it wild? 

Thanks, that is wild. 

Tell me about it. 

Yeah, I. 

Yeah. 

I know you move the the Texas and then you move the Florida. 

Mean, uh? 

Yeah, Miami, uh huh. 

I was like what the hell? 

Yeah you're just hopping all over the place I'm like how is she doing this on pandemics? 

Who's got a sugar daddy? 

I don't have a. 

Sugar Daddy, but if anybody is interested my. 

Instagram is at Big Mac, Lawson. 

What kids have you been doing during the pandemic? 

Friendly. 

So one of the things that I did when the pandemic started is as I sat down and decided you know, how am I going to make this benefit. 

And I watched a lot of bosses on comedy, comedy, writing, script writing, things like. 

But I had these ideas for songs that I really wanted to put together and I just never found the time to do it before the pandemic, and that's when I sat down and did my three song to have a song with Bubba Sparxxx there all comedy and then I have this song, quarantine and chill on. Anybody can find it? They go on Spotify. It's just Big Mac with two C's. 

He 

You know what we're gonna play we're gonna I'm gonna cut you off we're gonna play a little little snippet from your quarantine and chill so they can hear it. 

Correct quarantine itself OK? 

Alright guys check check out a song out. 

OK, I got it. 

I love it. 

It's a play you look so good famous I got toilet paper for. 

John. 

Baby can you pull? 

On the team and chill, the government is paying. 

He woke up. 

I'm so proud of it. 

So the corentine made you write that track. 

Yeah, I mean I had ideas for songs that I wanted to write beforehand, and one of my goals is to kind of be like the female little dicky. 

I don't consider myself like. 

Huh? 

A rapper, you know, but it's like for fun. 

Yeah. 

It's like a joke. 

Kind of. 

Yeah. 

Man and you know, I I, I think my stuff is funny. 

So I I sat down I did that sometimes took some money, took some concentration. 

It was funny. 

I also auditioned for a new app. 

I became a verified. 

Creator on the stereo app, so I was able. 

Oh nice. 

Yeah, I was able to get paid to to do that over the pandemic, which is really cool. 

Then I did some writing and when I moved to Texas, I got an amazing opportunity through. 

My boss was working out there to open for Steve Trevino for a weekend. 

Yes. 

So it's actually a pretty big comic. 

Thanks. 

And for somebody who's only been doing comedy for, you know about a year, maybe a little more if you. 

Or 

Uh-huh 

Count the pandemic. 

That was a huge huge blessing for me because he's a very. 

How was that experience? 

It was great, you know he gave me 5. 

It was kind of unexpected. 

He gave me 5 minutes to go up and just kind of see how I did the first night and he was like you killed it. 

He's like I. 

Want to to open up every show so I think it was about 4545 shows that he did and then I was it. Just a quick like 8 minutes that that I did. It wasn't too much. I'm still trying to build my set up and get that endurance on stage but it made me realize that I'm better at it than I thought 'cause he could have told me, you know you stuck, sorry. 

Yeah. 

Me. 

Yeah. 

But he was like no, no, you're funny like go out. 

There and do it so that's it. 

Does that 8 minutes feel like it takes forever? 

It goes really. 

No. 

No, no it goes. 

By it goes by fast but. 

Millimeter. 

The problem is is that you have to have enough material. 

So what I did for him 'cause I didn't really have enough material 'cause I you know, I'm a newer comedian so I've got like 5 solid minutes so I just did a lot of crowd work at the beginning and then I went into my. 

Yeah. 

That, and so the key is actually sitting down and writing and putting together your set and memorizing it. 

Uh huh. 

And that's the part that I really need to crack down on, because I think I rely on my wit and I need to prepare more. 

Far is crowd work. 

What do you mean you were doing crowd work like were you like a hike man? 

Miller 

What's crowd work? 

Crowd work is when you were just talking to the crowd, ************ with the crowd. 

It's always off the top of your head is something that I'm really, really good at. 

I think it's. 

I'm like I'm so. 

I mean I'm not trying to be cocky or anything, but I'm so good at it that sometimes I'm like, oh I'll just rely on that. 

I want to have to worry about my actual sets, but it's kind of just like teasing, making fun of the crowd that comes free. 

Yeah. 

Me. 

It's like your sneakers are ugly. 

Netflix, yeah yeah, basically. 

Or like I had these I I had these I wasn't when I was in Texas. 

There are these. 

Everybody was wearing the same Plaid shirt and I was like looking at everybody. 

It. 

I'm like why is there sale Walmart like? 

I'm so confused like feel like that you know it's like makes fun of people and I think just growing up in a big family. 

He 

I think that comes pretty naturally to me so an some I was made fun of as a kid too so I think. 

OK. 

Back to LA real quick. Do you have any crazy nightlife store? 

Greece, you want to share? 

God, which one do you want to know? 

One that comes to mind. 

There's a, it's just which was genre of craziness. 

Me it I mean. 

I have no innocence left after living there, in the craziest of places. 

I have bad stories. 

I have great stories. 

I have, you know, stories of like meeting, you know huge celebrities. 

And I mean some of them. 

Me. 

Even maybe becoming friends and. 

Ah, I'm trying to think there is OK. 

There is the coolest. 

Play OK NLA and they they've had a few of these houses, but they call it the rave cave and people in LA probably already know what it is, but anybody outside ballet they probably like, whoa, but it really was thriving during the pandemic. 'cause everything was closed. So I I got invited to this House. 

Uh huh. 

Huh? 

And on the outside, it's a house in a neighborhood in Burbank. 

And you go there and it's quiet outside. 

And then you open the door. 

And it's like you're stepping into Wonderland. 

Really. 

The floor yeah, the floor that they move when you walk on them. 

Word. 

There's one room. 

That's all chandelier. 

There's another room that's just a whole bed. 

The whole room is a bed and there's another room that has like strobe lights and a dance floor and a DJ. 

Damn. 

And it's super loud in there. 

I mean my friends it's my friends house to live there. 

Is this a swingers party MC? 

Guess what? 

Was this a swingers party you want to? 

No, it's not pretty pretty. 

It sounds like it. 

It sounds like some ******* stuff. 

I mean, I'm sure I did. 

Are they? 

I'm sure they. 

I'm sure they start seeing. 

Moving bed. 

I'm sure they swing like as the night goes on. 

I I never I've never swaying before but it's crazy because like it's like this really cool actor or spot and what they do is I don't want to give away their secrets but what they do well it's kinda cool I wanna share it So what they do is they have like white noise. 

Uh huh. 

Don't give away their secret. 

OK. 

Coming from speakers outside of the house that they set up. 

So that it drowns out the noise so that there's no complaints from the neighbors. 

But then you walk inside and it's a full on race. 

So outside you hear nothing but in yeah that place is not my friends live there and they're ******* cool, right? 

And you had a crazy story there. 

I just feel like it that was crazy itself. 

I mean, I haven't looked up. 

Yeah, sounds pretty crazy. 

I've had. 

I've had like celebrities. 

Yeah. 

Invite me over and they're like I'm Naked by my pool, completely naked with me and I'm like well what the **** I have like a bunch of different weird stories like that or you know you end up at somebody's house and this person's there and that person is there. 

Yeah. 

Me. 

Yeah. 

If you can go on a date with any celebrity, who would it be? 

Mr. 

Lee is still not single and it's getting. 

I think he's so funny I think. 

Who? 

Kristali, I think he's so funny even if he is a pervert. 

Really, you're into pervert guys. 

Yeah, I'm I think I'm just bitter that he was gonna hook up with me and then he ******* got cancelled also not about that and now he doesn't cheat on his fiance anymore. 

So mad. 

About that, I'm just kidding. 

She's beautiful. 

Yeah. 

I'm just kidding that joke guys, I'm at the median. 

All right, so if you if if you were. 

And things of that. 

Married and your husband gave you a Hall pass? 

Who would you use it on? 

It has to be looks wise, it's Kellan Lutz. 

Right? 

Oh my God, he's so **** but I'm more I know I'm more like a psychological person like I get connected with people. 

Another letters. 

More foods are like their brain and this person he's he's a rapper actually, but he's actually like he sometimes responds to my DM. 

But I'm like obsessed with. 

And he's a rapper. 

Yeah. 

Yeah I, I just like people. 

I just like people that he has a really good enerji to him like he's very like self motivated and his rapid like quote unquote woke like he doesn't just rap about ******* and **** like that. 

I don't really know if I would physically be attracted him if we met in person, but psychologically I'm like. 

Pretty attracted to him so. 

OK, OK, what's one thing people wanna know about you just looking at you? 

Yeah. 

I feel like people just make a lot of assumptions about me. 

Yes. 

I have a lot of special talents. 

Like what? 

I play Prince. 

Then I was like I said, I was a level 10 gymnast. I'm like a Jack of all trades, probably master of none. Maybe like 1/2 master of a few, but I can just do a lot of things. Also I have been homeless before. I think that's a good one. Not not like sleeping on the street because I feel like people who sleep on the street just give up, but sleeping in my car. 

Uh huh. 

Oh, really. 

Oh 

Like yeah, for the first couple of years of adulthood because it's like, you know, in in Virginia I have like for the first couple of years like 18 nineteen 20 I was like living out of my car. 

In LA or Florida. 

Oh 

Couch surfing and I was homeschooled too. I guess that's another kind of cool thing, but I was home schooled so I I didn't really. I wasn't really good with a lot of like social things like I had a good personality and I knew how to talk to people but like I didn't understand a lot of things about the world. So from like 1819 and 20 like it was a very very weird time in my life of like. 

Uh huh. 

Uh huh. 

Adapting to the real world and also kind of being homeless. 

Me. 

So I really have been a lot of really bad things in my life. 

Thanks. 

An overcome a lot of. 

Things so. 

Will you ever put in a non compromised situation when you were homeless? 

Yeah, I mean I've been. 

I've had like a peeping Tom. 

Todd, Sir uh huh. 

It's surfing, you know, you learn. 

You learn a lot about people when you when you lose your support system. 

Yeah. 

So I didn't. 

True. 

I didn't. 

I haven't really. 

I mean, I don't even wanna divulge and all this, I had a really sucked up childhood. 

Me. 

And then I had a lot of like depression, anxiety, PTSD and trauma related. 

Stuff from abuse and then after I kind of got went through all that. 

That's when you know when I turned 18 my gymnastics scholarship kind of got taken away from me because of my parents and. 

Damn. 

Uh, then I went from like being a level to gymnast thinking I was gonna go to college on a full ride to basically being homeless within a year. 

So I've been put in all sorts of like ungodly situations, but ultimately it turned me into like more of that Alpha female that I consider myself to be today. 

So I'm I'm very thankful for it. 

Very big from everything that I've been through. 

But yeah, I've I've been through some crazy. 

Yeah. 

How did you overcome being homeless? 

Did you find a job or you just like packed your car up and just came to California? 

So I always had a job, always was working. 

Uh huh. 

One of my biggest problems is that nobody wanted to pay me that well, and because I didn't go to college, I had to start from the beginning. 

So I understand what it's like to have to to build your life. 

And I I paid my way through college slowly but surely. 

I didn't end up graduating, but I did about. 

Three or four years of. 

It like kind of spread out, so I mean look, I mean one. 

Millimeter. 

The thing to overcome any sort of adversity is you have to want to. 

I mean, you have to want to get out of it if you want to be a victim, you're going to be a victim. 

If you want to be a Victor, then you're going to be a big or it's really a difference in mindset. 

True. 

So you just gotta not stop. 

Gotta do it, but in some people's cases they they can't, you know? 

Gotcha. 

Maybe they're disabled or something like that, or. 

Yeah, exactly. 

Benedict, or have an addiction. I know that we have. There's a huge homeless problem in LA. One of the main one of the main problems with that. Maybe you can attest to this is addiction. You have people out there selling them **** I I see the the drug dealers out there selling them shipped all the time. When I used to live out there. So when you have an addiction like that. 

Yep. 

Yep. 

It has, it has to be broken, so I think the problem out there is people get down on their luck and somebody shows them heroin or somebody shows them math an they just start doing it instead of actually pushing through and coping. 

And then they just get stuck on it. 

Luckily for me I was straight edge so. 

That's good 'cause I was about to ask you. 

Will you ever shown heroin? 

Or or Matt when you arrived here. 

No, and and I and I you know what I was straight edge on purpose because I knew I had a lot of like psychological depression and problems and I was very scared to try anything at certain points in my life 'cause I knew that I would low and anything that made me feel good. 

Yeah. 

I would get addicted to. 

Millimeter. 

So the first time I even drink alcohol. 

I think I was 20. 

And then you know, eventually, like I, when I felt myself in. 

Go to headspace. 

I tried some other things but I didn't. 

I knew I knew then that I had the self-awareness to know that if I ever try to drug at that low point in my life that I would like it too much. 

So I never did it. 

Are you currently sober now or you? 

You're a social drinker? 

But no. 

Yeah. 

No, I mean like now I'm good like now I'm not homeless. 

I know how the world were. 

I'm not depressed, you know now it's like now it's like I know what I need to know. 

What I can do? 

But I think you know, I just society in general, I think it's a lot of people lack self-awareness. 

I think that's really important to have that self-awareness of knowing what you can and can't do. 

Yeah. 

And when you can, can't be drinking like I'm not gonna drink when I'm depressed. 

You know, it's just gonna be bad. 

Some people, some people do try to overcome that. 

I'm not. 

Yeah, and that's all it did, yeah? 

Downhill from there as far as being a female comedian, do you feel like the male comedians look down at you and laugh at you? 

'cause you're trying to be up there with the big guys? 

I think that the male comedians I think it's actually a leg up. 

If you're a girl, as long as you're somewhat good, it's. 

So you don't think it's harder for a female comedian to? 

It's harder for. 

The same reason that everything is harder for females, and that's that men want to have. 

*** with you. 

Yeah, but as far as female comedians, I feel like there's not that many female comedians and I feel like it's harder. 

I think it's harder in look I I know the thing that people say about women aren't funny and I I don't think that's true I'm I know that I'm funny. 

You know in person and. 

Funny looking. 

Sometimes, and even like on even on stage, like I I know that I do well, but I think one of the reasons why women have that like. 

My attached to them is, I think a lot of women lack confidence and I think one of the things one of the keys to being funny is being confident enough to wait for that moment to say the right joke or to to have that moment of awkward silence, and then the punchline and. 

Me. 

Yeah. 

I think you know as women start to come into their own and gain confidence and feel better about themselves. 

I think you're gonna start seeing more. 

Or female comedians. 

As you know from the stories, well, I haven't even told half the stories, but the small amount of stories that I've told you about the things that I've been through in my life. 

I've had to learn confidence on my own, so I don't necessarily think it's harder to be a woman. 

OK. 

Millimeter. 

I think that there are obstacles to everything, and I think. 

Yeah. 

Up until recently, men haven't had much obstacles for anything, and now they're starting to be held accountable for certain things, and so there are certain obstacles, but. 

Uh-huh 

I don't think that I think that we have to be careful with demonising all men and demonising. 

You know making every like just women need this. 

Women need that. 

OK yeah we do need these things but I don't think that men are out to get women. 

I think just there are some men that are not all men. 

Not all men, not all men. 

Yeah there are some men that are just like oh you're a woman I've I've actually had a comedian that told me. 

Yeah. 

Oh yeah, you definitely didn't write that joke or I wasn't saying it's me. 

Me. 

He was saying it to a different female comedian and I forget the guys name, but he was saying it too. 

Uh huh. 

So this **** ** stage at the roast battle and she was like and he literally said to her and he's a famous comedian. 

He's like, yeah, you definitely didn't write that joke 'cause you're a female and it was an that made me want to punch him in the face. 

Millimeter. 

Exactly. 

It's like beach, let's ******* sit down and write so you know you get the guys like that. 

Uh huh. 

And I'm not saying that they don't exist, they do. 

Uh huh. 

But there's always the Apple in the room, and no matter what you're doing, male or female. 

Well, my last question is there any awareness you want to give young females or? 

Females in general looking start comedy World or moved to Los Angeles. 

Yeah. 

Oh and yeah. 

Any advice you want to share with them or give them if they decide to come here to the great City of Los Angeles? 

If you're moving OK if you're moving to Los Angelus, you need to turn off your heart. 

I know that sounds so bad, but there's so. 

Any deceitful people out there and you need to be there for business and you need to not be the same as other people around you, but just just really protect it and guard your heart. 

'cause there's a lot of evil there. 

If you're like, you know, maybe for me I was kind of like innocent. 

A little bit when I moved there and it definitely taught me how to how to be tough, I think. 

As far as advice goes, just be weary of people and then when it comes to comedy, if you're a female and you're getting into the comedy scene, be kind to others. 

Keep your connection, but be there for yourself an don't worry about what anybody else has to say. 

You know, it's funny that you mentioned. 

You know, if it's hard as a woman to be in comedy an I'd say I've had so many men helped me. 

Had women deliberately tried to mess up my set. 

D. 

Yeah. 

And I just because I wanna take the higher Rd. 

I don't wanna talk about you know who it was or even like divulge at all because karma. 

Will come back. 

Will come. 

The iPod people who knew that I was new to comedy that I helped deliberately tried to mess me up on stage and numerous times and it's always been the women. 

Me. 

So I'd say, you know. 

Why is that? 

Sorry to cut you off, but why women? 

Ways. 

The lack of real confidence. 

Like I said, women lack real confidence. 

You think so. 

Yeah, I know so. 

I mean, I've never really done it that way. 

Growing up in sports, you know, I've just always seen things a little bit differently. 

I've seen competition as more of like a game rather than like a life threatening thing. 

I, I think also because there aren't a lot of women in comedy. 

Maybe that make them. 

Like psychologically feel they need to be like more cutthroat, but I think it ultimately comes down to just true confidence. 

You know, if you really believe in what you're doing an you really feel good about yourself and in your path in life and you have authentic and and good. 

Good intentions for your career. 

I don't think you're going to be cutting other people down and I've met girl comedians that have helped me too, but by far I have seen. 

I thought I faced a lot more trouble from girls in the comedy community. 

Yeah. 

Ehm jeez? 

Yeah. 

Thanks. 

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